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That's the complexity, and we have to keep in mind certainly the first priority is the defeat of isis. we've actually gotten very close. because they're real priority is to get back to that fight against isis. >> matt, you said mentor mccain was on the in the last hour and was talking about he'd like to see the elimination against more attacks against the syrian air force, eliminate their capabilities and creating safe joans. all of that seems unlikely, if it's ever going to happen, until the battle against isis is completed. >> well, there's the battle of isis, which you're absolutely right a...

Of taking on russia and russian forces. and i find it hard to believe at this point that anyone in the united states would want to get in a shooting war with russia. and then you're talking about there's an end game issue here. once you get there, that's a whole different level. >> if you're not destroying all their aircraft, just shoot one down so you ground it and create these safe joans, if russia decides to challenge you in that, the risk of an escalation to matthew's point is enormous. >> it's huge. and i would counter senator mccain and lead more towards concongressman multien in an over...