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Cost of this to any individual. it wouldn't ensure fewer people. it wouldn't cost the government anymore money. there must be a deal at the other end of it somewhere. what's the deal that we have to give up to get it? >> bob: i want everybody to know kimberly and i are still here. we are still on the show. i will give you the political answer to across state lines. eric is right. they used that over and over and over again. it's a bad sales points. people say, what do you mean i can't buy it over there? democrats got tired of hearing it. they ran the numbers and it didn't make that much differ...

Democratic elected officials all across the country, get people signed up. especially younger and healthier people so that this will work. he said, there's no going back. it's not going to be repealed not as long as i'm president. let's sell it and make it work. he was basically speaking to the troops today about what sales points they should make. >> you mentioned those troops and organizing for america, as you know, this was one of the most innovative campaigns ever, gathering 16 million on a network. and yet that part of the network has not been as effective at this stage of governing and s...

Of the cabinet, not just a spouse. i think there are a couple passages in the interview and story where you can see the outlines of one of the sales points that she would obviously use if and when she actually runs. i think that's important. >> let me be honest with you about what i think. i think once you get close to the presidency, whether you're a first lady or secretary of state or vice president, you do get a sense of -- because you sit there when the decisions are made. and sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong. but your batting average is probably pretty good. you figure i cou...

And has been involved in decision making as secretary of state, having been in the room with the president as a member of the cabinet, not just a spouse. i think there are a couple passages in the interview and story where you can see the outlines of one of the sales points that she would obviously use if and when she actually runs. i think that's important. >> let me be honest with you about what i think. i think once you get close to the presidency, whether you're a first lady or secretary of state or vice president, you do get a sense of -- because you sit there when the decisions are made....