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And as you said this isn't just an alaska story. it's a florida story. it's a charleston story. you've been to alaska quite a bt over the last few years, and i remember last time you were there the people in that state have a different relationship with their environment. >> they do. >> and politically it's a fairly conservative libertarian state, has this summer changed anything? >> that's a great question. it's a petrol state, you know? all the million residents of alaska get a check thanks to that pipeline. oil prices went down, so the budgets are starving, and they're bankrupt, and so it's...

Salmon streams. they manage those streams so that they let the larger salmon go up to spawn. the result is that even today those streams have larger salmon and the streams that were held in common owned by everyone and. john: not an individual indian, but a plan would on the stream. why today would they still have more salmon? >> that just goes back to what was superior management over a century ago. and at the same time i should know we are mismanaging our salmon stocks by chasing them around the ocean, open ocean and over harvesting salmon and many other species. we could learn from what the...

Before white settlers came here and messed it up. >> before contact with whites indians were aware of market trading and property rights. some indians own the salmon streams. they manage those streams so they let the larger go up to spawn and even those streams have larger salmon than the streams held in commons owned be everyone and hence managed by no one. >> the clan not individual indian but clan would opwn a stream they would have more salmon. >> that goesor back to what superior management over a sen true sin tourow w re -- sen tocentur. >> we could learn from what the native americans a...

Free the imagination of the individual entrepreneur. we had economies that went back many, many millennia and were successful until 1492. john: indians had a form of property rights before white settlers came here and mess that up. some indians actually owned the salmon streams. they manage those streams so that they let the larger salmon go up to spawn. the result is that even today those streams have larger salmon and the streams that were held in common owned by everyone and hence managed by no one. john: not an individual indian, but a plan would on the stream. why today would they still h...