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The gop. and all of these men want to take away women's right to choose. so the real question is could this irish tragedy become an american tragedy? the gop wants a more moderate path. i'm not buying it and you shouldn't either. catherine crier, journalist and former judge and erin carmon, reporter for salon.com. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> thank you. >> catherine, let me start with you. they talk a big game but have they learned anything when it comes to women's rights? i'm talking about the gop. >> well, absolutely not. take mississippi who set aside th...

Been trying to sell the same traditional america message for decades. >> don't look now, young man, but somebody has his hand in the pocket. it's the hand of big government. >> i ask you to join me in helping to restore the individual freedoms and initiatives this nation once knew. >> goldwater, nixon, reagan, bush, mccain and romney complained about big government. complained an awful lot about big government but supported laws against abortion, marriage and pot. it looks like republicans still haven't learned what real american values are after all. let's bring in joan walsh editor at large ...

It, it is. republicans like o'reilly have been trying to sell the same traditional america message for decades. >> don't look now, young man, but somebody has his hand in the pocket. it's the hand of big government. >> i ask you to join me in helping to restore the individual freedoms and initiatives this nation once knew. >> goldwater, nixon, reagan, bush, mccain and romney complained about big government. complained an awful lot about big government but supported laws against abortion, marriage and pot. it looks like republicans still haven't learned what real american values are after all. ...

To do different things in politics, outside of politics. >> and there are some party leaders who are still long for former florida governor jeb bush. you can argue that it is too early to even be thinking about 2016, but ask yourself, when did barack obama first start dreaming about becoming president? craig. >> andrea mitchell, thanks to you for some smart speculation. now let's bring in the brain trust. joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. also an msnbc political analyst. perry bacon, the editor for "the g rir grio." this is a limit brain trust. sometimes we have to fake it. not today....

Cleveland and akron. it's an impediment to voting, and it is on purpose. here's another one not on purpose. "the new york times" reporting today, quote, in ohio the crucial democratic strong hold of cuyohoga county which includes cleveland had more people vote early every day this year than in 2008, until monday. what happened monday? hurricane sandy. the day of the storm when the daily tally began to lag from its levels of four years ago. so barriers to voting this year are in some cases acts of god. like big, bad weather events. sometimes they are also acts of man. like republican state elec...