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They've -- we've returned hostages. they've returned some of the remains, an important number 55 to be sure to their families, but there's actually thousandses. they've reconnected north korean and south korean families and there's a plan to reconnect rail lines. those are all positive things, the problem, gillian, it's nothing to do with denuclearization and for that they actually want sanction removal and we're not going to give it to them. i think what we have to do to convince the north koreans that it's in their interest to pursue this policy with president trump, is to actually get tough...

Strategy session today and thank you for your time. i want to flip the argument around a little bit. what does vladimir putin want from this summit? what does he get from it? >> the minute he walks in the door, he's got his number one objective. since 2014, he's been internationally isolated because he annexed crimea and invaded ukraine. so that is absolutely removed as a result. he's no longer that international pariah. second, he gets legitimacy. very specifically, one of the things he wants is sanction removal to be sure, he will have to make concessions to get that. i think we've got to ha...

The president who do believe, let's put the issues on the table and let's start dealing with them from one head of state to another and i think -- i think meaningful in doing that. we can argue we shouldn't give him the kind of legitimacy of a world leader that he so desires when he's earned the status of international paria, some of the issues are truly intractable issues, syria one, ukraine the other and if we can make some progress on some of that as a result of negotiating with him, i think it's worth the try. they want sanction removal. paul: that's what he wants, he wants trump to trade ...

National security team around the president who do believe, let's put the issues on the table and let's start dealing with them from one head of state to another and i think -- i think meaningful in doing that. we can argue we shouldn't give him the kind of legitimacy of a world leader that he so desires when he's earned the status of international paria, some of the issues are truly intractable issues, syria one, ukraine the other and if we can make some progress on some of that as a result of negotiating with him, i think it's worth the try. they want sanction removal. paul: that's what he w...

Explain this a little more what it really means. i'm sure the iranians will tout that as quite a deal for them pause in ten years, they can do what they want, and i think the administration owes it to us to explain what really happens at the end of ten years what have we really accomplished if they can still acquire a nuclear weapon at that time. >> you're a great military axe. -- expert and i'm the business in other words. the compelling part of the deal for the iranians was that sanctions will be lifted. at least on the part of the europeans, almost immediately. ours will be sort of slowly t...