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This kind of grief. and it's unfair. you know, what he thinks ultimately is going to happen, he's not going to remove 11 million illegals. he's just -- he's just really striking terror in them. and for what goal? what does it do? it's hurting businesses. it's hurting families. it has no overall accomplishment. is it honoring a campaign pledge? apparently they think it is. is it a pledge that's going to help the country in any way, not that i see? in fact, i think a lot of businessmen are trying to get to them and saying, listen, we need these workers and all this business at how they're going ...

Laws in our cities. and this has been also for the foundation of this is in the obama administration, even though he didn't talk about it very much, this is donald trump promise, consistent with one or more amendments to strip out federal funding going to these sanction ware districts. if we don't do that, america becomes more and more lawless. t >> well, but let me just stop the leap of logic you are making there. you know there are all sorts of studies that show immigrants, even undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate. >> alison -- >> the countries becoming more and more lawles...

Precisely and you're out very precisely. when you put ground forces on the ground, as barbara described you have a multidimensional application of force. it's air, it's ground, there's a lot of intelligence support that must provide self-protection. then you have all the logistics. you have all the medical support. you have lines of communications from where you might establish sanction ware locations and then support operations on the ground. this becomes a much larger footprint but that's what our military does and we do this. our military does this better than any other military in the worl...

Rally is underway. what more is happening now? >> high energy rally. a lot of chanting. talking about a future is ours. part of the -- said we're not going to let donald trump turn hateful rhetoric into action. with we won't let him tear immigrant families apart and that's really the overall message. you talk to the organizers here, they say that the message today is of unity, love, resistance, defense and sanction ware. i spoke with organizers, here's what she had to say. >> this is a group that's coming together from north carolina, california, new mexico. so, immigrants from across the coun...

That has sanction ware. they have hydroelectric power. they have a couple million daily in oil revenue from the turkish black market. so they are a nation state for all practical purposes. this is a a first step in cutting off and getting after their communications and logistics. >> thank you both so much. want to move along because next a big story here. we're following jury selection underway again today for the first of those six baltimore police officers facing charges in the death of freddie gray. one thing the jurors have in common is they are all aware of freddie gray's death and the ...