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May be fairly simple here. whether you loved nancy pelosi or hated nancy pelosi, you knew she was a strong leader. she ruled that caucus with an iron fist. you did not defy her. she knew where the votes were and how to bring the votes out. what paul ryan is doing, he seems to be a frayed of his own members. afraid of the white house, afraid of the freedom caucus. he needs to get out there and lead. he may lose his job for it, but there are some things worth losing your job for. >> sarah, i wonder if -- it's either that the people who have given paul ryan all this credit for being a wonder kin ...

Leader, nancy pelosi, about michael flynn's request for i am munt, and here with me, politics editor at the root, jason johnson. jennifer reuben and dana milbank from "washington post" and republican strategist, sara rum. i'm coming to you with nancy pelosi's question, and she has said and you have written, and i read your column, why don't republicans at some point say to donald trump, you're not honoring the office of president? where are those republicans? >> there are very few of them, unfortunately. this was the problem during the campaign, this was the problem during the transition. ther...

Pelosi, and i think she made a good point, this is why this committee shout be giving flynn immunity. this is why this committee is so compromised. when it's a compromised committee, because of the leadership, you don't want to be in a position where you're already giving immunity to people who are still knee-deep in the kind of corruption and the co inclusion we think is likely happening with the white house. i think not only is she on the right track here, but i think the focus on we have to make sure that this committee has some semblance of integrity moving forward is very important. >> sa...

What sarah was getting at. jennifer, it is interesting the different styles here that you see between leader pelosi when she was speaker and paul ryan. i mean, leade pelosi had a fractious caucus too. you remember that health care pass. passing obamacare was not easy. there were parts of the democratic seahawks that didn't want anything to do with parts of that bill. but her style really did seem to be to sort of embrace and bring people around. i'm not sure what paul ryan is trying to do here. the one place where he has shown absolute loyalty, as far as i'm concerned, has been to nunes. becau...