Literallily, what you have to do, you collect all your packets, scan a qr code, log into a thing online, print out a mailing label, find a box, you put the taco bell sauce packets in a box, print the mailing label off, go to the post office and mail it off. >> also, the freight uses energy -- >> also, the carbon that comes out of that. the point in all of this, it really is a forward-leaning optimistic show, is what can advocates and companies do together to change the nature of that packaging. >> that's the thing i was asking, you separate -- >> so we only have two bins, trash and recycling. ...