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Msnbc news's senior political editor. mark, there is somethinged aly not surprising that somehow this tax bill they have to do a redo. yes, it's not the end of the world as senator kennedy said and they are going the get their tax bill through. although it's like they are using up another down. you never know, one day can mean anything. it seems emblematic of the larger issue. >> putting legislation together is always sloppy. we always talk about the sausage making process of the it becomes sloppier when you know you have a deadline to actually do manage before the next democratic senator from...

Even like new york city. a lot of big cities, chicago, san francisco, where taxes are very high, because there is a lot of spending. that is the bottom line. while they see businesses and people leave, and while they have to change their ways as a result? if you are an economist and you believe in the free market and pressure, this should be the punishment to make them change their ways. what do you think? >> we will see. a lot of it conservative comments are divided. they have been debating. the problem is, when you're making a bill, it is like making sausage. the last couple months, we have ...

The sausage making process are those details as we speak. look at what we did in the better way document. look at what we've done with the dave camp proposal. we've laid the foundation for the work to go forward. >> we really, really appreciate you guys are doing it in a bipartisan fashion. i will ask you congressman reed, one of the problems i've had since donald trump was running for president and made a speech in new york city last august where he said he could get down. but i think we could go to 4%, 5%, 6%. there seems to be a tie between tax rates and getting this roar of economic growth...

Expensive. but the legislative process doesn't work this way. they need a minimum of eight democrats in order to keep the government running beyond september 30th and you see the president tweeting this morning admonishing the leadership of the republican party about something they should have done. could have, would have, should have is not how the process works. refer to it as the sausage making process, it's intricate, complicated and messy. instead of spending time tweeting about the leadership, he's got to spend that time talking to them and building a relationship with them. i don't thin...

Debt. is president trump really going to veto that over border wall funding? i don't think so. just to add to your previous fact check, he said he paid for this by tax regular miing remit goods across the border. he's not doing those things either. he's not fulfilling the campaign promise. >> isn't that growing debt something the president touches? you can say trillion, billion or gazillion and most people aren't actually affected by it because they feel like it's abstract. that growing debt number, president trump has had a career of massive amounts of debt and it never seemed to faze him. if...