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That puts this whole call and the other activities that meadows was engaging in squarely in the political realm. any reasonable person can see that. so it not only undercuts meadows' claim to remove the trial to federal court, it'll be an issue when donald trump comes to federal court and says, "i'm immune under the presidential immunity document because i was concerned there was fraud in the election." deeply concerning hearing yesterday. >> lisa, i'm sure people are wondering, if you are participating in an alleged conspiracy to overturn an election, why does it matter in what role you are a...

Violating the hatch act, it is whether or not mark meadows was acting within the scope of his federal duties. ultimately, as raffensperger and others testified yesterday, what he was doing was political in nature, not to fulfill a federal function of ensuring free and fair elections, as meadows tried to insinuate yesterday. >> members of the trump white house highlighted the hatch act like it was their job, more often than not, from white house podiums. how surprising was it that meadows took the stand yesterday? that really took a lot of people off guard. >> shocking. because as he said himse...

Requires, you first have to show you were fulfilling a federal function, right? so it's not so much, is it relevant to the conspiracy. it's, is it relevant or can you prove it to get your case to federal court? but, of course, the reason meadows wants to be in federal court in the first place is so he can advance the argument ken was referring to, which is this presidential immunity question. he is arguing that because he was a federal officer acting as the direction of the president or in cahoots with the president, it'd be improper or unconstitutional for fani willis to prosecute him in stat...

Votes in february and march. now, he's going to be shuttling from courtroom to courtroom while also trying to mix in political rallies. certainly obstacles no presidential campaign has ever faced before. >> georgia will be sprinkled in there, as well, once they decide on something. meanwhile, former white house chief of staff mark meadows took the witness stand for five hours yesterday in the first hearing for his motion to move that fulton county election case to federal court. the bulk of the questioning surrounded what his official role as chief of staff entailed. meadows framed his actio...