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russian forces still occupy europe's biggest nuclear power plant at zaporizhzhia. the situation there remains unstable. my guest, rafael grossi, director general of the international nuclear watchdog, the iaea, has been there in an effort to avert disaster. with zaporizhzhia in mind, why is he pushing for more nuclear power right across the world? thank you, it's good to be with you again, hello. it's great to have you on the show. i think we have to begin with the situation in zaporizhzhia, the huge nuclear power plant in ukraine. you've spent months trying to stabilise the situatio...

silva. now on bbc news, it's time for hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. russia's invasion of ukraine has generated all kinds of shock waves military, humanitarian, economic and nuclear. leave aside putin's dark hints about russia's readiness to contemplate first use of a nuclear weapon, russian forces still occupy europe's biggest nuclear power plant at zaporizhzhia. the situation there remains unstable. my guest, rafael grossi, director general of the international nuclear watchdog, the iaea, has been there in an effort to avert disaster. with zaporizhzhia in mind, ...

From this anomalous situation are very, very serious. i have addressed them and they have nuclear safety implications. you've done nothing to improve the situation for those people. they are still, in effect, working at gunpoint under duress with the risk that they or their families may be taken hostage. that surely is unacceptable to you. and yet your inspectors sit there and it seems can do nothing about it. well, i would disagree, i would disagree with that. first of all, the fact that we have a permanent presence there has improved the situation in many respects. these people have somebody...

And yet your inspectors sit there and it seems can do nothing about it. well, i would disagree, i would disagree with that. first of all, the fact that we have a permanent presence there has improved the situation in many respects. these people have somebody to talk to. we have been acting upon testimonies and we also can tell you and the world what is actually going on there, technically speaking and in general. otherwise, what you have is, of course, as in any war, you have different narratives, a saying b did this, and b saying a did that, so and we not knowing what, what is happening... if...