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Just ask you. the whistle blower ukraine scandal issue, how should we think about it? the argument is that donald trump tried to pressure the incoming president of ukraine to investigate supposed corruption of joe biden's son. he says he did nothing wrong. and in fact the investigation should be about the actual corruption of joe biden's son or the alleged corruption i should say, sorry. what's the bottom line? >> so, fareed, to good journalists should be following the evidence and not the spin, right? there is no evidence, no evidence has been corroborated a anywhere that biden actually inter...

These emails. they are fighting every scandal issue the ig has raised. they have not given us one text message. they are holding back information about doj collusion with the clinton campaign. this justice department and not the obama justice department. >> all right. mark pence, as you listen to this, what he said is the case. this is the republican justice department. >> well, but it's really a state unto itself. what happened here with the recusal and the independent counsel and rob rosenstein they are not accountable to congress and can't be fired by the president. they created a governmen...

Ig report that confirms that mueller was generated as a result of these crooked fbi agents who hated donald trump, who said this thing in motion, and were working for mueller for good. mock-up time. frankly, the whole thing has been tainted. i am thinking back to the whitehurst scandal with the fbi labs, all the cases these folks were involved with. >> judge jeanine: fruit of the poisonous tree. it's amazing to me, tom, you are the one that i've always given so much gratitude to the freedom of information, now we find out, why was this text never given to congress? the one where he says, you k...

These emails. they are fighting every scandal issue the ig has raised. they have not given us one text message. they are holding back information about doj collusion with the clinton campaign. this justice department and not the obama justice department. >> all right. mark pence, as you listen to this, what he said is the case. this is the republican justice department. >> well, but it's really a state unto itself. what happened here with the recusal and the independent counsel and rob rosenstein they are not accountable to congress and can't be fired by the president. they created a governmen...

Honest and trustworthy are getting worse and worse. and they have argued now for months that it's not really getting -- it's not that bad. people trust her to fight for them. whatever. if you look at the numbers over the -- ever since this scandal issue, whatever you want to call it started, she's got worse and worse on a key indicator for the general election. that issue which is honest and trustworthy. is it taking a long term political toll? i think it may be. >> on contrast with the trump story. very simple. that is the complete symbolism of a politician caught in a mess, the way it works ...