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circumstantial. they found also this bloody rug at the transfer station, and that also -- that's dna. it comes back to ana. there's a lot of information about some crime of violence given hacksaws and hatchets and, you know, $450 to try to clean up the scene amateurs don't clean up scenes very well. professional companies, they exist to clean up crime scenes. he's sloppy. it's an amazing thing when you put all this together and look at the doing the searches but without a body it's a challenge. but they can certainly get a conviction if not first-degree, at least second-degree murder even without a body.

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