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Obstruction of justice. that's a major threat to the presidency. >> the report says that it's not just michael cohen who makes an allegation along these lines. they have backup evidence, text, e-mails that they say back up this allegation. >> that's right. with the usual caveat that we haven't seen the documents and it doesn't sound like the buzzfeed reporters have either. this is what you need if you are mueller's team. they have not done so in any of their filings so far. michael cohen is a guy with credibility problems who admitted to lying. donald trump is ag guy who has lied plenty to the...

Buzzfeed reporting lines up? >> it's hard to tell. there's some things that line up. for example, it's clear that the mueller team, when they wrote the sentencing submission with respect to cohen, made reference to the things about which michael cohen was cooperating, including the circumstances scih lying. there's evidence from the buzzfeed report that other people assisted him in making the statements and he was directed to do so by the president. the one thing i have been thinking about that doesn't fully align is the following. remember that when michael cohen pled guilty in the southern d...