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That's been the challenge for merrick garland and his investigation from the very beginning. it is why he was so methodical with this process from the very beginning. much to the consternation, i should point out, of the detractors of the former president donald trump, and of the january 6th select committee, who was very frustrated that it took merrick garland to move so quickly in his investigation. there is obviously a lot happening behind the scenes that we weren't made privy to until just recently but the broader point here is that this is kind of the fog of all of this, that the former p...

National security reporter with the "new york times" who first reported on the alleged russian plot. julian, can you tell us more about what you've learned about this alleged plot, and kind of going off of what nick was saying there, do you expect the administration is going to release evidence of this because they are getting questions about it. >> yeah, it is a good question, but what is really hard here is that when you have an intelligence matter to release the sort of hard core evidence, a power point of this, or an e-mail message about the planning of this. any sort of concrete evidence ...

We're fighting hard. my message to people is talk to your doctor and your local pharmacist. we have a life-saving vaccine that the trump administration delivered to us in warp speed time with operation warp speed and that's my message to folks. there is so much distrust with the government now. >> bill: what do the experts tell you what is happening in georgia? do they give you some hard core evidence that this is -- a, it is happening because b, c and d are following it? >> i had a really -- i've been traveling the state a lot. we're seeing very high case counts in our rural communities where...

Since lindsey graham tried a case, but what happens in criminal investigations is that there are tip, and then you do the investigation and you don't put the tip in, but the hard core evidence and the investigation. when i am looking at the republican defense, what i am seeing glaring at me is not who they want on the witness list, but who is afraid to be on the witness list and who is not on there, and the actual fact witnesses. so, for example, when this first came out, and not only do we have the president basically admitting to the conspiracy and the crime in the phone conversation, but hi...

Away. and it should happen right away. i think what everybody ought to be tired of at this point, shannon, is these kinds of third-party descriptions of the core evidence that we are supposed to be looking at. we have the call between zelensky and trump, for example, that's the evidence, the main evidence of what went on here and what we've gone through the last week or so our people's different characterizations of it and descriptions of it. and what we are supposed to take away from that, it seems to me, is that you have to say either that it's perfect, as the president says, or it's impeach...