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Elite. donald trump does so many things in opposition to what he doesn't like. so much of his presidency to date has been what did barack obama do? we're doing the opposite. doesn't matter what that is. it's relationship driven and it's score settling. don't underestimate what a big deal this is. it's a huge deal to pardon people. remember mark rich in the bill clinton days. this is a big deal. kirsten is right. we should not overlook it. >> just do it and don't say you're not doing it for that reason. stick around. so much more coming. so much for roseanne's promise to leave twitter and why t...

>> jonathan swan had this terrific item over the weekend about why this white house leaks. one of the reasons this hit is always so much fun and cable has so much to work with trump is there's more leaking in one week of the trump white house than you might see in a year of a presidency. and so swan had the clever idea to call up some of the most p prolific leakers. so many said it was about score settling. making sure they're killing ideas or tamping down people who might be on the rise because they don't like the ideas or don't like those people. i think part of that tone is set at the top o...

Why do they leak absolutely everything? >> your viewers, especially who's been watching this show for a long time, you learn more in a week in this presidency than you have in a year. so jonathan swann asked the prolific leakers why they leaked and they leaked why they leaked. a lot was about score settling, about going after people internally who didn't share their views, a lot was killing ideas they don't like. some of it was let's shape the narrative in a way that's positive for the administration but so much of it was inward looking. so much of it about life in the bunker. and i think that...

The mistake we make is to think defensively. how do we break the system to stop perps from getting guns and that is wrong. you need to think authentically, how do we tag the perps and keep them from getting guns. we want law-abiding folks to have access, not the bad eggs. do you see the difference? we need a database where a creep like this fits in perfectly based on testimony from cops, students, school officials who then get a judge to issue a civil court order. if you're in the space no gun and liberals no more whining about mass incarceration that you violate the database, you get a felony...

Think offensively. the mistake we make is to think defensively. how do we break the system to stop perps from getting guns and that is wrong. you need to think authentically, how do we tag the perps and keep them from getting guns. we want law-abiding folks to have access, not the bad eggs. do you see the difference? we need a database where a creep like this fits in perfectly based on testimony from cops, students, school officials who then get a judge to issue a civil court order. if you're in the space no gun and liberals no more whining about mass incarceration that you violate the databas...