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Higher. >> and back in 2017, it was then barack obama who made an appearance at the fest and thereafter other democrats have followed suit. is it a big problem if you are a presidential candidate and you're not there? >> i do think it's a bit of a problem for democrats. as jess said, african-americans, particularly african-american women, have an outsized voice in the democratic primary. it's essential that candidates get in front of this type of audience. just as important as being there is the message they're going to present or project. i think democrats are making a mistake if they're goin...

Republicans in alabama and georgia have gone very extreme on the abortion issue doesn't mean that the democrats should go extreme, too. every one of those democrats in congress who is running for president has voted for the hyde amendment in appropriations bills. in fact, they are going to get a chance to do it again this week with the house, the house candidates running will vote for that, so i think the vice president may have helped him sale of little bit in the short term but it's not going to pass the scranton test. >> one of the names that i think some might find surprising in the top fi...