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And there were times of many crises, challenges, screw ups, triumphs occasionally. so i mean, it was never a dull moment. >> when i watched "zero dark thirty" which i saw again the other day, you see that scene of water boarding. you don't believe it is torture. most people watching it would say it obviously is. why do you think there's no line crossed there? >> well, first i should make clear, the water boarding that was done in the course of the cia interrogation program, by no means are docile, was not exactly the way it was depicted in that film. i don't mean to downplay the aggressiveness...

This analogy with "the god father" too far. but in some respects, my role over three decades was to be the conciliary so to speak for the cia organization. and there were times of mini crises, challenges, screw ups, triumphs occasionally. so i mean, it was never a dull moment. >> when i watched "zero dark thirty" which i saw again the other day, you see that scene of water boarding. you don't believe it is torture. most people watching it would say it obviously is. why do you think there's no line crossed there? >> well, first i should make clear, the water boarding that was done in the course...

Of that howard hughes movie with leonardo dicaprio but we will not bring it up. isn't it sickening, willie? these people are twitter. >> they are analysts. >> they want to make everyone evil. >> make animals on both sides. like martin bashir. he said something terrible and you know who said that? martin bashir. i talked to martin on the phone while it was going on and he goes, oh. he was so hurt, he felt so stupid and he felt so bad. and people close to him were saying, martin, you know? he screwed up. we all screw up! >> there is a difference to the level of screw-ups because that was written...

Of trouble, the promise i made my mama ♪ if i don't do that i don't know how to hustle ♪ ♪ give me a hundred grand and i'm going to flip it, and give you a hundred grand, i'm going to smoke it like a chimney ♪ ♪ better hope before i get a chance to spend it ♪ ♪ if i, if i had a hundred grand, lord, i might go off the deep end and go blow it all this weekend ♪ >> life's cool, baby! >> cool, baby! >> at the santa rosa correctional institution in florida, dreams of what could be run through the imaginations of many. but less so for those who have already spent decades on the insid...

Florida, dreams of what could be run through the imaginations of many. but less so for those who have already spent decades on the inside. >> to be honest with you, probably looking at probably one of the biggest screw-ups in the united states sitting right here looking at you. >> i've been incarcerated since i've been 18 years old. had i was 18 i did a burglary. received a maximum sentence. >> convicted of burglary and assault and although he received a life sentence, he has been eligible for parole three times. >> i've been on parole and violated and i'm back. let me say something about paro...