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The report public. john dowd did give us some interesting insight into why he was so adamant that donald trump should not sit down for an interview with robert mueller. here is what he said. >> what i was worried about is that he really couldn't do it. he couldn't do it. there is no way he could. we have to script it. i told bob why don't you just let us script it? >> now, in that interview, john dowd goes on to say that when donald trump is unsure, he tends to guess the answers to questions and so that was part of the reason they were so worried about him sitting down with robert mueller is t...

About why he never wanted the president to answer questions orally. he did it in writing. >> in my questioning him or talking to him, in question -- first question, easy. second question, easy. third question, he wasn't sure. and he doesn't like being unsure. so he will guess. there's your trap right there. it's not whether he lies or not. everybody wants to get into this, you know, this integrity business. it's not a matter of integrity. it's overload. what i was worried about is that he really couldn't do it. he couldn't do it. there's no way he could -- i mean, we have to script it. matter ...

Matter of fact i told bob, buy don't you let us script it? >> it is the new abc news podcast. what did you make of those comments? it is unusual for a former lawyer to be speaking about them that bluntly. >> you have to -- you have a problem when you actually lie and prosecutors can prove it. donald trump wasn't unsure whether or he had an affair with stormy daniels. the problem at hand the that we know those among other things are matters which the mueller invegs gators are getting answers to. it will raise concerns about whether or not he will lie there a context in which there are pretty hi...

Very -- >> -- who continues to minimize gordon's role calling him the coffee boy. front and center right by jeff sessions -- >> and steps from the presidential candidate. >> i'm buddies with the ambassador, can i set you up with a meeting with vladimir putin? and would you like cream in that coffee. what? >> he's been following this very closely. kent, if i submitted this as a script it would be rejected for being too hard to believe. >> yeah, guys, i mean, he certainly members of congress are now asking how could senator sessions have not remembered this. they want him to come back and testif...