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this is what the committee should look into. that's a big issue. secondly, the work requirement is so stiff and the accounting is so green eye shade, i've recently had the experience i'm calling all the state tanf directors to find out how their programs respond during the recession. amazing to me over half of them said that the paperwork burden for accounting work and hours is so heavy and so difficult that it distracts us -- now that's a typical excuse that a bureaucrat makes, but i've heard it so often, and it does make such sense that i think there are issues here and we could do...

i guess my question to the panel is, i think the states have demonstrated the capacity to innovate and to use this program in a way most flexible to meet the needs of the people in their own state. but they're asking for more flexibility. why shouldn't we give it to them? in a way, sometimes i start to say i'm more like the republican view originally of giving flexibility to states. why shouldn't we give them the ability to come forward with a demonstration program that would allow the test to be getting people employed rather than off of cash assistance or why can't they have the ab...

out of poverty? >> the first thing i would say is that we're going to need resources. we have a lot now. but we're going to lose some of them inevitably over the next two, three, four, five years when congress at last decides to deal with the deficit. so i think this the long run, the number one thing we have to do is at least slow the rate of growth in programs for the elderly and increase the rate of growth in programs for children and especially programs that are focused on children's development like high quality preschool programs. we have abundant data from vrs good scientific ...