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Served as white house chief of staff for president bill clinton. he was also director of the office of manage am and budget and he served in congress for 16 years. so, secretary, you know abomore about this than anybody with the perspective that you bring to it. how bad will this be for president biden if members of his own party are the ones who effectively tank his agenda, including this hard-fought bipartisan instfrastructure bil? >> well, it would be a real tragedy for -- for this administration and for the democrats. and frankly, for the country. they just -- they can't afford to let this...

Necessarily need the president at the table to drive that. but the president has to be encouraging people to move towards an answer. i'm glad he went up and talked to the caucus. i think it's important for the president to be able to try to pull the party together. but what is needed right now is the hard work of resolving these issues. right now, you got too many people saying too many things about all -- all that they want in this package. >> yeah. i mean, it -- >> able to put this down in common sense right now and that's not happened. >> so, you know, today is our tenth anniversary on "out...

And that needs to change. >> all right. well, sec retary, i appreciate your time. director, i appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> happy tenth anniversary, erin. >> all right. thank you. and next, we will celebrate our ten years of "outfront" right here on cnn. >> breaking news. we are tracking superstorm here striking the east coast. >> fire and fury. >> so let's flick it over. ♪ i'm a reporter for the new york times. if you just hold it like this. yeah. ♪ i love finding out things that other people don't want me to know. mm-hmm. [beep] i just wanted to say... ♪ find yourself in t...