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Well regulated malitia being regulated to the economy of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. they might be the most debated 27 words in the english language. listen to what former chief justice, a conservative nominated by richard nixon had to say in 1991 about the amendment. >> this has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud. i repeat the word fraud on the american public by special interest groups i have ever seen in my lifetime. >> i want today bring in one of america's finest constitutional scholars to discuss what the secon...

Always holds himself out as being, you know an absolute textualist, every word of the constitution is what you follow. in the heller case it said the opening section was discussing militias. well that was just a prefatory clause announcing the right was coming. like they were playing trumpets or something. and so regardless of what you think of the logic of these are words that really don't matter, you know, that is now the law. when the supreme court speaks that's what the second amendment means. so right now, it is only the right of the people to keep and bear arms, is the second amendment. ...

Vice president in american history. >> the nra is -- an organization that has members who are mothers and fathers. and i would expect that they have been impacted by this, as well. and hopefully they will do some self reflection. there is a big chunk of space between what -- you know, the second amendment means and having no rules at all. and that space is what joe is going to be working on to try to identify where we can find some common ground. >> joining me now, msnbc's crystal ball. crystal, i'm hoping that there is one nra prediction that will come true, and that is that joe biden will be...

Biden will be the most anti-gun vice president in american history. >> the nra is -- an organization that has members who are mothers and fathers. and i would expect that they have been impacted by this, as well. and hopefully they will do some self reflection. there is a big chunk of space between what -- you know, the second amendment means and having no rules at all. and that space is what joe is going to be working on to try to identify where we can find some common ground. >> joining me now, msnbc's crystal ball. crystal, i'm hoping that there is one nra prediction that will come true, an...

Side of this. that we're going to be serious about making sure that something like newtown or aurora doesn't happen again. and there is a big chunk of space between what, you know, the second amendment means and having no rules at all. and that space is what joe will be working on to try to identify where we can find some common ground. so, i've got -- >> mr. president? >> i'm going to take one last question. go ahead, jake. >> seems to a lot of observers that you made the political calculation in 2008 in your first term and 2012, not to talk about gun violence. you had your position on renewi...