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And in those charging documents for michael cohen, it said that cohen coordinated with one or more members of the campaign, including meetings and phone calls about the fact, nature and timing of the payments. and then, of course, cohen went to court and said he made these payments at the direction of a candidate for federal office, which, of course, was then candidate trump. now president trump. the other interesting point in the wsj story, there was this draft indictment, an 80-page draft indictment never filed against michael cohen that also detailed a lot of trump's involvement in this sch...

Crime. so we don't know how much information they have. i really think at this point we've seen so many of these mounting allegations against this president, the teflon president, it really comes down to the broader i think structural constitutional issues of whether there is going to be accountability at any level any more in our system of government. >> and what do you think? would you worry, were you donald trump or his lawyer? >> i would have worried the second david pecker got immunity. i would have known at that point in time that the prosecution had some incentive to say, we're going to...

The most sympathetic or even empathetic witness for people. maybe he seemed as though it was contrived and had something to lose. wasn't getting an old itch branch from anyone. but that coupled with weisselberg, who knows all of the finances, coupled with david pecker, who is the person who had the magazine and "national enquirer," it's mounting against the president. >> also the cohen raid and the documents they obtained. >> i just want to make a point. i think there is some confusion as to whether a president can be indicted. ken starr, my former boss in the whitewater investigation conclude...

Trump and david pecker, ami declined to comment on this story. but in this meeting, donald trump essentially says, look, what can you do to help me? and david pecker apparently replies and says, well, what i can do is i can make sure that i can silence these women. i can make these stories go away if women start coming out and making these allegations against you. and so this is sort of the beginning, allegedly, of this scheme that now, you know, president trump has been implicated in, jake. >> all right. sara murray, thank you so much. appreciate it. let's talk about it with our legal experts...