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Dirt on a political opponent. remember what some republicans said about the complaint? they used -- it was the hearsay argument. >> i went back yesterday and actually read what was said, and there is. there's a lot of secondhand information, a lot of sort of hearsay -- not hearsay but in the sense that it was passed on, it wasn't a direct conversation. >> did he talk to the president? >> he talked to ambassador sondland, who talked to the president. >> oh. that's hearsay. >> hmm. you can find a bunch of those. hearsay. oh, second, thirdhand. well, now there's a witness to the phone call. so th...

Whistle-blower sent to congress back in august. the whistle-blower expressing concerns that the president was abusing his office by pressuring a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent. remember what some republicans said about the complaint? they used -- it was the hearsay argument. >> i went back yesterday and actually read what was said, and there is. there's a lot of secondhand information, a lot of sort of hearsay -- not hearsay but in the sense that it was passed on. it wasn't a direct conversation. >> did he talk to the president? >> he talked to ambassador sondland wh...

Despite this testimony from earlier this week. brooke? >> manu, thank you very much. let's analyze. cnn political reporter is with us and cnn special correspondent jamie gangel. phrases i heard, oh, secondhand information. or hearsay. behind closed doors you're hearing a different story? >> absolutely. so they have to say that. president trump is watching, and the white house has been lobbying for them, but what's really going on is, i'm told from a senior republican source on capitol hill, that bill taylor's statement was a game-changer. that it is "reverberating" among members, because the...

We've seen i would say is not a good one, right? he's talking about taylor. so then today he -- he tried to walk it back. here's john thune. >> i went back yesterday and actually read what was said, and there is -- there's a lot of secondhand information, a lot of sort of hearsay -- not hearsay, but in the sense that it was passed on. it wasn't a direct conversation. >> so -- so -- so look, rachel. i'm curious, from your reporting covering congress what do you think is happening there? obviously, never mind the quotes and the detail, but the passing along. donald trump calls sondland and bill ...

Couldn't trust what he said because it was not firsthand. >> you don't just take pieces of the trial and take them out of context. >> reporter: you think this is out of context? >> yeah. >> there's a lot of secondhand information. a lot of sort of hearsay -- not hearsay, in the sense it was passed on not a direct conversation. >> you hear testimony, oh, that's the end of it, until you hear the other side. >> you give me 15 pages of testimony never subject to cross-examination and want me to comment on it? forget that. >> reporter: lindsey graham in a matter of moments will offer a resolution c...