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Data still set is operating under a different name with financial support from schmidt. >> they can decide we want to target union members or tea party members or whoever we want. they take the information and combine it with another. martha: karl rove joins me now. karl, i know you said in terms of this nsa story that you are okay with it, you think it goes to the higher purpose of preventing terrorism. now i think everyone feels so vulnerable with all of their information in their lives now. when you look back at this hopration that was have much involved eric schmidt who was the ceo of goog...

>> they are not secret in the sense when it comes to telephone calls, every member of congress has been briefed on this program. with respect to all the programs the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these program. martha: several lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are saying the statement is not true. >> we were never told thee were able to find out the information that's been revealed this week. i think it's a fiction it's a fiction that everybody in congress knows. martha: california republican kevin mccarthy is the majority whip and he joins me now. the president sayi...

Information is collected under has to do with intelligence information. so we have a system set up internal to the system to catch that. so this whistleblower has gone way outside of this chain of command to s really don't think that this is right. well, the intelligence committee in congress thought about it and said that it is right. obama is completely naïve and in 2007 he said that we don't need to do this. after being president for four years, he said well, actually there is a war on terror and we have to do these kinds of things. so again we have adults that have a system in place with ...

World relive in. for decades businesses have been using publicly available information. there are three sort of big pots of data out there. some comes from open and transparent institutions, increasingly our local governments. you pay a property tax as a publicly known item. the fact that you might have a hunting lie $sense is publicly known. in every state we know whether you are a registered voter and if you are a registered voter we know your sex, we know your age, we know where you live. so those pots of information have been available and used by businesses and political campaigns over th...