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>> do you agree with the administration then, with our allies, that jet fighters are not necessary -- i know that president zelenskyy wants jet fighters, but that they would be sitting ducks on the tarmac and that's not the most important weapon. >> i think most important weapon now are those tanks. the war that's going on as a world war i trench war in the -- in the east. and i'm not sure about the at at the issue -- the calculation is always harming versus escalation. the danger, of course, with jet fighters is if a ukrainian pilot decides to take off into russia, then that's clearly going t...

Except around the city of bakhmut. and we were right next to bakhmut. it had been speculated that the city would fall perhaps this week, that russia wants to capture bakhmut so the general in charge, and there have been quite a few in the war, can show to vladimir putin, his boss, that he was able to capture the city that other generals have not. still despite this focus and a tremendous assault on the city, bakhmut is still in ukrainian hands. >> richard -- michael, let's talk about support back home because despite russia not being invited here to munich this year which is significant -- >> ...

Worrisome. i think of china and the u.s. as these two heavily armed giants sort of lumbering toward each other, and neither side wants the war. neither side, it will be catastrophic for both sides, we've got to figure out a way to compete but not have it turn into conflict. >> do you think president xi knew about the spy balloon coming on the eve of an important secretary of state mission to beijing? >> i doubt it. >> you think that the chinese army, the prc. >> i think somebody made that decision. i doubt he knew personally. i have no intelligence on that. i can tell you whoever is in charge ...

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