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Level of specifity of detail is level of conduct is that obvious level of conduct and the level of conduct as to what it should be, and the courtland of the level of power. >> you said some of which -- >> many of which, because it is the ellipse speech of the bl blabl blasingame, and all of those are immune, and with the department of justice and meeting with the department of congress falls within the heartland of article 2 section iii and communing with

That we might actually see another order coming from the supreme court before the arguments that ask specifically for briefing on particular issues. >> paula, colorado's obviously not the only state where there's a question about former president being on the ballot. how does the supreme court decision on this affect all the other cases? >> it depends what they say, to joan's point. it's unclear what they're going to weigh in on. the expectation is they're going to provide clarity about section iii of the 14th amendment, the so-called insurrectionist ban. this has been litigated across multipl...

Asking the court to actually review the determination of the colorado supreme court, affirming the ruling of the district court, that trump did engage in insurrection. now, i suspect the court will not grant sert on that question, that they will probably resolve the question on the issue of whether he's an officer under section iii and whether or not the section is self-executing. if they were to rule against trump on those two legal questions, then they actually would have to reach the question of whether he engaged in insurrection. i suspect that he raised those issues on appeal because he a...

Guns in the crowd. people had weapons. >> correct. he often tries to leave himself some kind of public out. >> jessica, there's also the matter of the separate appeal filed by the colorado gop. how does that differ from the arguments made by the former president's legal team? >> that's really interesting. the colorado gop made two of the same arguments trump has made in his brief, including whether he's an officer within meaning of section iii of the 14th amendment. and also whether or not the section iii of the 14th amendment is self-executing or whether congress has to enact legislation that...

In insurrection. they also say that the congress, not state courts, should be the ones that determine the eligibility for the presidency. they also say that the 14th amendment, the letter -- if you read the 14th amendment, section iii, it doesn't mention the office of the presidency, and it doesn't apply, they say, to the former president. i'll read you a little bit more of what they argue. they say that this colorado ruling, if allowed to stand, will mark the first time in the history of the united states that the judiciary has prevented voters from casting ballots for the leading major party...