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For subsidized care unlike obama care or romney care? >> rick santorum. no. wait. huntsman. >> final question. jon huntsman. i mean, john, which candidate was cited by pew center for running the best managed state, held by "forbes" magazine as being the most fiscally fit and for jobs creation. >> i think that might be jon huntsman. >> mika, the bigger point here is when it comes to throwing this rhino title around this year, there is very little to do with the right. it has everything to do with are you like newt gingrich, willing to call the secretary of hss joseph stalin? are you like glenn ...

Defent newt gingrich. >> in his recent campaign book, "to save america," he describes mr. obama as ben on leading a secular-socialist machine that represents as great a threat to america as nazi germany or the soviet union once did. mr. ryan speaks softly but proposes commensurate with america's problems. mr. begin grish speaks loud by but shrinks from hard choices. who's the radical and who's the leader. >> i always said his biggest problem is he speak loudly and will come out with the most outrageous statements, but when it comes to the really tough choices, certainly we saw this in '97 and ...

Inflammatory terms while he was carrying on a six-year affair after having dumped his wife when she was in the hospital with cancer, his earlier wife so it goes on and on, the list of particulars. but in terms of what comes out of his mouth, he is what i think of as a pyromaniac of history. >> okay. you see let's go through it. let's make your point because, gentlemen, i think you are -- i want you to follow one watching these pictures. here is newt a year ago talking about the president. let's listen. we got a lot of footage of this guy. >> the president of the united states, the most radical...

Tough words for the president from former speaker of the house, newt gingrich. he claims president obama is running what he calls a secular socialist machine from the white house. i sat down with chris wallace for a preview of his interview on fox news sunday. a couple of fascinating guests today. let's start with newt gingrich. he's got a new book out and he's using a term about this current administration. no surprise, he's not a fan. but secular socialist machine. wow. >> exactly. i must say that was my reaction when i started reading the book because he's saying, first of all, it's a machi...

This country's traditional sense of religious values. but he goes further than that and i questioned him about it. i challenge him about it. he says that this machine, secular socialist machine of obama and the democrats is as great a threat to the country as nazi germany and the soviet union and the cold war. that's a strong charge. he backs it up. some people will be outraged. some people will be persuaded. >> you also asked him about one of the big news stories, the nomination of elena kagan to the supreme court. he's the first national figure i heard take such a strong opposition to the po...