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To nato to be everybody but russia in europe because that creates the same problem we had during the first world war and that's what russia -- one of russia's sticking points to be, but now the situation has changed on the ground, i think that both of them need to go in at the same time, the alliance has got to be strong. and then eventually now i could even see go five years down the road, once there is a peace settlement that ukraine does get more security assurances from nato eventually and maybe eventually ten years is in the alliance itself. >> major mike lyons, thanks so much. >> thanks....