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He talks about maybe revoking other clearances. all about who was there, who he blames for the beginning of the russia meddling investigation. then he gets into bob mueller, james comey, another one of the people on that list, if you will, and connects it all. again, i want to get to the security clearance issue, but when you listen to the president on the issue of the special counsel, i've never heard him more plainly give a hint that i'm done, don't think i'm going to answer questions, mr. mueller. >> yeah, i think it's become pretty clear that the president and his lawyers want to force mue...

Let's talk about guns, school safety and others subjects with kellyanne conway. let's start with the story we lead with, the security clearance issue for jared kushner. downgraded to secret. how is that sitting in the white house and how does it affect his job? >> i have not discussed it directly with jerrod or anyone else. jerrod is in charge of or supports many of the different initiatives by the president. president trump on friday in front of the whole world, the press conference with the australian prime minister. he has great faith in jared kushner senior advisor. working on middle east ...

That list. people with not a problem in the world so that will be up to general kelly. general kelly respects jared a lot. and general kelly will make that call. i won't make that call. >> bret: lightning round. the security clearance issue right now, jared kushner has an interim clearance and general kelly, chief of staff had said that's eventually going to come to an end. but will it? we're back with the panel. byron? >> forgive me for thinking the president's son-in-law is going to keep his security clearance. i think that's kind of the message that we got from the president today. although...

Today they took a different stance. they're blaming the white house personnel security office. does this add up? >> it's a good question. let me say that my job isn't to defend the fbi. it is to explain the fbi. the good, the bad and the ugly. i told my colleagues, if they mess up, i'll be the first to say this is something that needs to be corrected. i don't think the fbi is at fault and it is hard to say the white house security office was at fault because we don't know. the bureau was being blamed yesterday. today it is another entity. i think what we need is for a little transparency on be...

Revelations, these were awkward, but they were not as far reaching and damaging as we thought, there were a number of public statements like that, so is this being overplayed? shouldn't -- i mean, shouldn't people in the media be skeptical of the government automatically saying, this guy's going to have blood on his hands? >> no, absolutely -- i should tell you, because it's a technical program, the amount, the loss of research and development are technological advantage is very difficult to calculate, and very difficult to claw back. it takes time, it takes money, it takes research. and sao t...