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Mismanagement. porter scandal in a vacuum, it's by a lot of other things. >> let's bring in ted lieu of california, member of the house intelligence committee joining us now. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, brianna. >> you just -- you just heard your republican colleague trey gowdy and speaker ryan saying congress is now going to get involved. in oversight of the rob porter matter and oversight of security clearances here. how significant is that to you? >> that's significant, i welcome the investigation. let me say, prior to getting elected to congress, i went through two security cle...

Helping him. >> but it's interesting though that if he doesn't sort of start talking about russian interference it could affect him negatively come midterm election time. so another big issue that came up yesterday was sort of the security clearance process. the director of national intelligence warning that people with interim clearances should have limited access to secret information. so beyond jared kushner who we already know do we have a sense of how many staffers within the white house have only interim security clearance and could this snoel snowball from here? >> there's between 30 ...

They told me that what sanders is saying is, quote, incredibly misleading. the white house security office, as it was explained to me, is literally a part of the white house. it's across the street, it's in the eisenhower executive office building, i think on the ground floor. the source says the security office doesn't make decisions. their reason for being is to coordinate the security clearance process for white house staff on behalf of the president. so as it's described to me, either there was a major management breakdown and the people designated to do this didn't tell anybody when they ...

The department of the army for a reason. you have history with government secrets. rob porter saw and heard it all, really, in the oval office. what should we know about the guarding of government secrets from your lifetime? >> well, there's a reason why we have a security clearance process. and if someone doesn't get it, it's not enough to say he wasn't denied it, he wasn't granted it. he should have never had access to the top secret things. when i was in the pentagon had a code word that was a protected pass, so i can't tell you the name of my clearance or the information i learned during t...

We are following a process that has been used by previous administrations. >> no, they are not. the processes of the trump administration are unique to the trump administration, including the process of obtaining security clearances for white house personnel like jared kushner, who still does not have a security clearance. some estimates indicate as many as 40 people in the trump white house do not have the security clearance that is required for their jobs. and now the security clearance process has completely undone the trump white house for the last week. we know that white house staffer ro...