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When we had west berlin in the middle of soviet territory, in the middle of west -- in east germany rather where we, you know, we said okay, we're going to allow that and we're not going to -- you know, the security guarantee will be managed accordingly. so there are ways to work around it, but i think the most important thing is that i worry and i think president zelenskyy is also worried that if ukraine doesn't get a date certain there will be, first of all, less motivation on the part of the west and incing japan, and i'm so glad you guys brought that up or at least rather the president bro...

Push nato to go further into what is given as we expect this major announcement this morning? >> no, not really. to become a nato member, there is a logical and rational membership plan that all go through. you don't bring in ukraine simply for security guarantees, but to get into nato you also have to meet certain economic and resourcing, some pre-market ideals. the idea that you can't just join nato on the fly. you have to meet criteria to join the club. they're eliminating these criteria, which many countries -- most countries have taken years to meet to go straight to the heart of the issu...

Would be at war with russia. and zelenskyy is expressing concern that ukraine's nato membership could be used in some kind of outside negotiation with putin right now, one, is his concern valid, and two, how could it be that the u.s. and the other 30 plus nato nations now would allow ukraine in without being in a full blown world war iii? >> so my understanding, ana, is that there are nato members who would allow ukraine and who would be potentially in favor of letting them in now, but obviously the united states and many others aren't in favor of that. it would not mean immediate war with rus...

President zelenskyy in lithuania as the alliance declares ukraine's future is in nato. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin with ukraine's big ask at the nato summit. nbc's kelly cobiella is following that story from kyiv. so what is president zelenskyy walking away with after this summit? >> reporter: yeah, well, chris, we all know that he wanted those promises from nato that they would have a firm time line for joining the alliance. he said there were a lot of positive outcomes, even though he didn't get what he went there to achieve. just take a l...

Of bringing in finland and now bringing in sweden. but i think at the end of the day, the real success here is having a positive view coming out, a view of inspiration and hope coming out and not one of just utter disappointment that they haven't been able to thread that needle between ukrainian -- ukraine not getting an invitation and ukraine getting some kind of security guarantee. and that's really the issue on the table today. >> david, i was heartened when i was listening to your stellar colleague ben hubbard last hour talk about how he was surprised when turkey signed off or at least cle...