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Reportedly out of the loop. the nsa out of the loop compared to obviously some of their targets. the only loop that seems to work here is at the nsa itself, where you have 25,000 employees working on a bunch of important security stuff and a bunch of other stuff, which if you believe the president, is nonessential. and is not part of our security because it can be stopped and started at will for diplomatic other other reasons. isn't there a larger problem here of an agency that is so large, even its biggest defenders are upset or claiming they are not in dialogue with the leadership? >> it doe...

Five, five, six-hour journey. there's portraying something that could beam you down here. you said you wouldn't do this. >> he has a great vision of new science and technologies and exploring ways of things that nobody thought of before. i myself, i'm late in life. i love to drive. i count the time that i would drive from my home to an airport, go through the security stuff where you feel so demeaned by -- >> you haven't flown since 9/11? >> i have not flown since 9/11. if i can drive in a day. that means salt lake city, 12 hours. phoenix, 12 hours. i drive. i don't fly. i'm just the wrong per...

Survivors? >> i have not. let's go on to something else. you said that the reset relations between russia and the united states is in serious jeopardy. china thumbing its nose at us. >> this is exhibit "a" of how far we've fallen as a nation in the eyes of the world. our friends aren't sure of us, and our enemies don't fear us. snowden is not a patriot, not a hero, betray eed his country. these countries have an obligation if they want to be part of the family of nations to return this man for prosecution. but this says a lot about president obama in the eyes of our adversaries and the world i...

Or subject. in effect he was saying he was off the hook and the justice department investigation of national security leaks. how persuasive was he in flat denials that he hasn't been involved in security leaks. >> it's hard to believe he wasn't involved. there were so many leaks that came out from the obama administration and cyber war against the nuclear facility and almost almost to believe that brennan wasn't involved in one way or another in those leaks. i'm glad that the committee pressed him on it. if you have somebody in the white house leaking classified information, that the security ...

Under that. during the same time, they're going to have to stay in this process and while they're in that process, is when this security stuff needs to happen. after a number of years have gone by, and the security enforcement is in place, then, second phase begins which is giving people the opportunity to apply fr a green card the same way everybody else does. the same way, it means stand in line, wait your turn. behind everyone applying before you legally. your turn comes up have you to qualify. that is we're giving people the opportunity to earn the chance to do this the way they should hav...