five, five, six-hour journey. there's portraying something that could beam you down here. you said you wouldn't do this. >> he has a great vision of new science and technologies and exploring ways of things that nobody thought of before. i myself, i'm late in life. i love to drive. i count the time that i would drive from my home to an airport, go through the security stuff where you feel so demeaned by -- >> you haven't flown since 9/11? >> i have not flown since 9/11. if i can drive in a day. that means salt lake city, 12 hours. phoenix, 12 hours. i drive. i don't fly. i'm just the wrong person to ask. i thought about the hyper loop. 30 minutes from here to l.a. the flying time for a plane is 45 minutes. you have cut 15 minutes of a plane flight and still have to go through -- where will you check your luggage? there is a no carry-on abilities