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Rhodes be ensnared in that, he has been, a grand jury says that he was involved in this seditious activity, but, you know, he was very clear, 24 days after the breach of the capitol on january 6th, he went on to the right wing conspiracy spewing online apparatus and he talked about what he thought about this administration. he goes after the biden administration and appears to make some threats and he's still doing this, mind you, after we have all seen the attack on the capitol. here's what he had to say. >> you got to declare this regime to be illegitimate, you got to declare everything that...

The communications that he would have had with people he was directing to go in, because so many of the charges were for trespass and criminal trespass, and this is not for seditious activity. and there is also a rally for president trump to invoke arcane laws, and even using language for a bloody war, and i'm paraphrasing a little bit there. so in the run-up of january 6th, he was directing the people, and sort of whipg up support for this kind of the activity, and assuming it is the charges that we are talking about here, it is very significant and a departure from what we have seen so far. ...

January 6th fairly. we will treat them fairly. and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly. >> okay. a couple things here. first, there was an earlier sound bite where he suggested people should continue protesting, as if to continue the big lie about the election. get out there and protest, folks. here's a reminder about what he said right there. more than 700 people have been arrested with this rite. the most serious charge being seditious conspiracy. when you listen to that claim from donald trump, what goes through your mind? >> alex, i ...

Or is this just another turn of the screw that's part of a larger series of legal things that are kind of bearing down on the former president? >> well, that's hard to say, but john, this is just a remarkable moment. we have been talking about this for six years, but think about this. i was thinking about what ambassador mcfaul just said about america standing up to china at a moment when we are so bitterly divided and here we have this evidence that the former president of the united states engaged in seditious activity. that he abused his office. that he was part of this effort to block the ...

Division over the acting attorney general. but the truth is absent -- absent a lens of criminal scrutiny, they're likely to, as dan and katie are suggesting, to defy subpoenas if they're subpoenaed by the committee and keep on keeping on. ? very complex cultural question almost that we have elevated a political party and some of their lead actors who can flaunt our very republican -- can get rewarded for that. is that a reflection on us as the american people? is that a reflection on the republican party at large, is that a reflection on the loudest voice, conservative television and radio mor...