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now it would be only two hops. >> now look, if the third hop weren't useful from time to time, we wouldn't have been doing its in the first place. but by the time you get out there, you really pretty much discover everybody has a dennis and everybody orders pizza. so there's an impact but it is marginal. i'm a little more concerned about going to the court every time you want a query of the data. they have the data in the big database and have what's called a seed number, almost always a foreign number, you get a cell phone from a safehouse in yemen and you want to access that database as that seed number, that bad number you now have, has it been in contact with numbers here in the united states? and the standard is, do you have a reasonable, arcticable suspicion that that number is al qaeda related? that's a professional intelligence judgment. i don't know what role the court has in adding value. and judge banks, former head of the court in a letter to congress specifically said that. >> senator leahy, let me pick up
>> now look, if the third hop weren't useful from time to time, we wouldn't have been doing its in the first place. but by the time you get out there, you really pretty much discover everybody has a dennis and everybody orders pizza. so there's an impact but it is marginal. i'm a little more concerned about going to the court every time you want a query of the data. they have the data in the big database and have what's called a seed number, almost always a foreign number, you get a cell phone from a safehouse in yemen and you want to access that database as that seed number, that bad number you now have, has it been in contact with numbers here in the united states? and the standard is, do you have a reasonable, arcticable suspicion that that number is al qaeda related? that's a professional intelligence judgment. i don't know what role the court has in adding value. and judge banks, former head of the court in a letter to congress specifically said that. >> senator leahy, let me pick up
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