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She doesn't want to associate herself with people who were truly assaulted. >> she says that very clearly. then as she described her thought process in the moment -- >> right. >> i talked to a lot of women who said, wait a minute, maybe she doesn't recognize it as such, but who are saying, oh, i deserved this. i put myself in a bad situation. bad things are going to happen. i deserve this. i got to do this. >> one of the things about these situations and i think it also applies to sexual harassment, it applies to a wide range of issues is women don't want to think of themselves as victims. the...

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Thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> let's bring in the panel. hopefully they are not remaining silent. ryan lizza, kirsten powers, rob astorino, alice stewart and frank bruni. frank, you wrote about this, about president trump's silence. you said it was, quote, a glaring and fascinating omission. what do you think is behind it? >> you know, i think we've also assumed the people he's tweeting the most about are the one who's are rattling him the most. i think it may be the case when he's not saying anything about someone, that's when he's really rattled. i think there are many possible explan...

It will give credence to what she has said whether it's right or wrong. in the interview -- i was one of the 22 million who watch the it because of curiosity. i think that's what a lot of people wanted to see in this and what she could possibly say. i learned two things. one, spanking, which is completely salacious. and the second about a threat, which was not salacious. it was uncorroborated. so i didn't really learn anything new from this. this is old news. it has nothing to do with what he's done in the white house, which is a very big distinction. people are making an issue about the nondi...

Underestimate just the personal aspect to this. i mean he's got a wife obviously. i don't know what he has said previously to her, if that contradicts what stormy daniels is saying. you know, this was allegedly shortly after she gave birth. there could be just a very big personal element to this. >> melania trump knew when she married donald trump, i think she knew she wasn't marrying a choir boy just like americans knew they weren't electing one. i don't think she was ready to be publicly shamed and to see headlines every day about what he was doing. when she was raising a child who had just ...