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West palm beach, florida. want to bring in john pierre, spokesperson for movon.org. worked for president obama's 2012 election team. a former bush chain adviser. good to see both of you on monday morning. thanks for being with us. let me start with you, the transition so far, how would you characterize it? >> bumpy, a little bit of turbulence. this is not unusual. i should put it in perspective. most presidential transitions are bumpy. it's a misnomer there is an office of president-elect. there is no office of president-elect. the president-elect is just that. he or she has to obviously org...

That is what needs to happen next. we need to get credible independent forensics experts who are not just the i.t. department, somewhere in the bowels of the irs, who are doing what they were told to do. i didn't detect that lois lerner was upset about the loss of her e-mails and files. >> who knows what that means. all e-mails during the relevant times. okay, we can't get communications from lois to you from lois, why don't you produce them, white house, if there are any. why don't you produce them if there are any. why don't you, barack obama's election team. quick answer on this one, do you...

That is what needs to happen next. we need to get credible independent forensics experts who are not just the i.t. department, somewhere in the bowels of the irs, who are doing what they were told to do. i didn't detect that lois lerner was upset about the loss of her e-mails and files. >> who knows what that means. all e-mails during the relevant times. okay, we can't get communications from lois to you from lois, why don't you produce them, white house, if there are any. why don't you produce them if there are any. why don't you, barack obama's election team. quick answer on this one, do you...

They did the due diligence to find out what it would mean if she was on the ticket and what they found was that while it might help, it would not help enough to overcome the political firestorm that it would create. it's not the first time that an election team -- >> it's par for the course, is it not. >> there was a quayle moment that was a part of the '92 campaign. cheney asked bush to dump him. he said i considered it for a while and decided it wasn't worth it. this happens. >> we were talking to jonathan martin about it, i asked him, how serious is a serious consideration? how seriously di...

His wife, valley jared, david axelrod and a couple other people. there isn't anybody there because he never listened to anybody else. >> there isn't anybody experienced enough to say if you do this, that is likely to happen. >> even the experienced people around him, he has never listened to, whether it was bill daley, chief of staff or rahm emanuel. he doesn't listen to anybody else except himself. >> i think you have a point. >> no disconnect, no one knows what that means. keep it honest. >> to pick up on what you said, he had a great team around him in two elections. he ran what some people...