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Clearly wanted to prevent a situation where the president was using his powers and his authority for self-dealing, to gain something personally. we see this in a number of different parts of the constitution. the emoluments clause, bribery is a grounds of impeachment. they were very worried about this. what we see in this situation is exactly that, is using the cloak and authority of the presidency to pressure a foreign government to engage in actions that will provide him with assistance in his personal campaign to be president. >> what if that's the byproduct, and his main concern, which you...

More detail on the dealings with joe biden. are we going to get it and are we going to get it soon? >> if one thing unites the american people outside the beltway they are sick and tired of angry at the culture of self-dealing in washington dc. any example of high officials bartering favorable policy or accommodations, for personal gain such as the case with the clinton foundation just gets everybody riled up. of something like that took place here we know joe biden has been bragging on videotape that we with -- he withheld billions of dollars of aid to ukraine italy replace a prosecutor for s...

And this is right where donald trump lives. he is a profoundly lawless individual. and if any opening is given to him where he can self-deal, he'll self deal. you put up the op ed earlier by neal and george that was in the "washington post" and one of the graphs in there i thought was most striking is they rightly pointed out that the framers were worried about self-dealing. and a president that self-deals to such an extent that it undermines the national interests. you now have a clear example of the president of the united states self-dealing in the ukraine to get a foreign country to underm...

The answer. but it's also an evasion of the constitutional responsibility and duty of congress to hold a president who's lawless accountable. they have the power to do that. they must take that action. and right now, our national security is in danger, the self-dealing is evident. everything that was meant to be in the alternative, not as instead of indictment, but an alternative, is impeachment, and it must be taken. >> i'm going to give jeff quickly the last word on this. what would you tell both the moderate to conservative democrats who are holding this whole thing kind of hostage in the p...

He has a lot of leeway when it comes to dealing with foreign leaders. you point out that his article 2 powers don't extend to offering quid pro quo. and if this it true this is an abuse of power. is it? >> absolutely. he can't use his article 2 power for personal gain. and if there ends up being any indication he offered something in his presidential authority in order to receive something that would benefit him personally for example in election. that is a problem. there's a reason that the framers of the constitution included bribery as impeachable defense. they didn't want self-dealing. but...