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>> paul: we're not sca scare-mongering. this is what the people are talking about. >> premiums are going up self-insured, 30%. they had comments, look, this is a subsidy program and somebody has to pay for it and it has to come from somewhere. and premiums were going to be rise for some middle class people. >> kim, what about the political fallout? we saw the votes i talked about, that vote i talked about on medical device tax. i mean, you had al franken and elizabeth warren and some-- very liberal democrats voting to repeal this thing, is this a sign that the coalition, the democratic support...

>> paul: we're not sca scare-mongering. this is what the people are talking about. >> premiums are going up self-insured, 30%. they had comments, look, this is a subsidy program and somebody has to pay for it and it has to come from somewhere. and premiums were going to be rise for some middle class people. >> kim, what about the political fallout? we saw the votes i talked about, that vote i talked about on medical device tax. i mean, you had al franken and elizabeth warren and some-- very liberal democrats voting to repeal this thing, is this a sign that the coalition, the democratic support...

And if you hire people other than your own. that wipes out all of the things that we have been doing, all the things we contribute to the common good -- our schools, health care services, catholic charities charities and parish soup kitchens and pantries. >>chris: the white house says the famous accommodation by president obama they have changed the mandate so that the insurance companies that you are dealing with, to provide health insurance coverage to your employees they have to provide the birth control for free and that the charities, the schools, the hospitals, do not have to do anything...

Him out there as well. thanks for sharing his story. the catholic church is fighting the administration's contraception mandate in court. in a coordinated church effort, several diocese across the nation, along with catholic universities and other groups have filed 12 federal lawsuits. it originally required religious employers to provide contraception for employee, but under the backlash, it was rewritten, requiring insurers to cover the contraception. the cardinal told chris wallace this morning, that technical change isn't enough. >> this is one of the reasons we have been saying that the a...

That's why balances are up. >> fascinating information. companies are saying they will prefer to pay fines to the government rather than include employees on healthcare programs as a result of the obama healthcare law. >> this is exclusive information that fox obtained meant to go to house republicans. it found companies with around 6 million employees they say 29 billion in the first year if they pay that fine with government healthcare exchange ore the course of a decade $422 billion. >> so many of the large companies are self insured. they don't know the risk they would rather have the gove...