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So he want to make sure he's not part of a larger plot and not hiding under the bushes, so to speak. >> can i ask you something because people always say lone wolf. chris, can you actually have lone wolf when you have the internet? is there such a thing as a lone wolf? the internet, it can be a group of people on the internet? is that feasible anymore? >> i don't believe you can, don. i don't believe in the term self-radicalization. lone wolf is descriptive in some ways, but your point is well taken. this is mass media campaign by isis to recruit people. and because of the scope and breadth of...

Differently if that is the case? >> the first thing you're looking for, connections that trace back or that joint the fight. you have to look to the internet and social media in particular to see how he encountered this ideology. one thing clear over the past two to three years. you look at the is ma'lamic sta two areas where they gained a lot of recruits, directly related to self-radicalization and internet radicalization. number one was europe and other was central asia. kyrgyzstan, these locations had a significant uptick in foreign fighter recruits to isis and i think around the world thos...

>> his travel ban list is essentially just made up sort of ad hoc. if we really want to look where the most number of foreign fighter extremists have come from, saudi arabia would be tops of the chart generation after generation. in the most recent data that has come out, a lot of these countries would show up. >> bill, when you hear about this and turn your television on and watch various leaders come out, officials both from law enforcement and officials from capitol hill or from local or state governments, what do you think the ideal reaction is in order to not only keep people calm but to ...

Self-radicalized? first of all. secondly, what more can we do to stop this self-radicalization? >> well, great comments that i'm hearing. i mean, definitely this daisht anti-muslim talk is going to make things worse. you're putting fuel on the fire. you're literally and actually doing what the terrorists want. in fact, they wrote about this in black and white. they said, we're going to do these attacks. we're going to watch the divisions in society. we're going to have people hate on islam and muslims. this will push those people who are already vulnerable into our waiting arms. to your questi...

Self radicalization as this has continued, they are tracking 20,000 individuals and we are tracking more than that so increased concern from all of us and that is why we must collaborate working closely together to track these individuals, make sure we have good data to track them, utilize all our capabilities, social media, cybersecurity and intercept financial capabilities. >> the collaboration part has been mentioned as part of the problem in past attacks and they have been able to follow through with them. have we taken steps to better the communication between countries? >> yes, and much ...