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Battlefields in iraq and syria this year, many experts were deeply concerned that the jihadists will quietly move back into europe and elsewhere and plan attacks for this summer, are we beginning to see that fear come to fruition. >> well first, we've got to determine whether this was coordinated through isis operatives or whether this was self-radicalization. we don't know that. whether this was a planned attack in barcelona or whether it was just self-radicalization of people in the country. to counter these types of activities. it's tragic, our prayers go out to the victims and we are with ...

Updates. we don't know that much right now, what is it like on the ground right now as they try to figure out what is happening and what is still happening on the ground? >> as we ask americans who are there tell their loved ones where they are through social media, what we are learning is through social media, even the communication that we've gone from police, local police saying this is a terrorist attack. that came from the local police department. in this age, whether it's the local police department, whether it's families or terrorists, many communications come through social media in th...

Our thoughts should be with the uk and not look at something to make america less safe. >> we don't have enough information. the brits have not released the name of the attackers or country of origin. if they come from one of these six countries where the president wants the travel ban, doesn't that help bolster his case? >> not at all. a travel ban will not make us more safe. the travel ban will target americans traveling abroad for terrorists. it had as an recruitment tool overseas. they will use that to attract more people to the extreme agenda. lastly, we know that the terrorist groups ope...

Many barrel bombs to drop in syria, it is not going to stop folks from self radicalizing in london, and paris, or in san bernardino. so what we have to do instead of spending the justice department time fighting the travel ban, let's use them and find ways to stop self radicalization here on united states oil instead of a frivolous stupid muslim ban. >> self radicalization is a problem. this is the first step. >> melissa: okay, i'm not sure we solved it. but i love you both. thank you for coming on. >> jon: so continuing to keep an eye on developments at the white house where the president is ...

About guns saying, you know, you notice it's about knives. of course one might say if the people had ak 47s, a lot more people would have been killed. nonetheless, those instincts of his are totally off the mark. >> let me ask you, bill, because one of the interesting things that the governor just pointed out is we don't know who this is. a lot of terrorists, i think maybe entirely the terrorists that struck london and manchester in the last -- previous month. we don't know about this account. they were nationals. they were british. and the truth of the matter is, home grown terrorism is a big...