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Or respect him, there's also this sort of really fascinating thing to me culturally which is that barack obama was a titanic figure to many americans. >> yes. >> he's a historic figure. he conducts himself with a sort of preternatural self-restraint. >> best president of our lifetime. >> in that way, he became this kind of colossus in people's imagination. that is followed up -- >> he was actually a really good guy. >> it has been followed up by people with donald trump who sort of the opposite, and it's interesting for people to work through how they feel about the office of the presidency in...

The football, the nuclear football that his aide carries around in that briefcase with the nuclear codes, i'm guessing they don't actually have the codes in there. they're never going to put the real codes in there for him. >> that's a joke, right? >> i hope it's not a joke. if you're watching over -- >> what the stakes of this particular moment mean. i mean he's the president of the united states. he is -- i mean there's a strange way in which i think for people that oppose the president or don't particularly trust him or respect him, there's also this sort of really fascinating thing to me c...

In russia next week, our secretary of state meeting vladimir putin for the first time as secretary of state. what does this do to this first meeting? >> i actually think it's helpful, and i think this is part of the process of what i would call setting the context for u.s.-russian relations. i think to show that russia is not alone in its willingness to act on behalf of its interests in the middle east, that's a good signal. i think also we need to do more of the same in europe. i, for example, would do more to increase the strength of nato. again, against that backdrop, i think conversations ...

Vulnerable to military pressure, that means going ahead with the restrengthening of nato, that means near russia. we ought to open up more of a diplomatic dialogue with russia. our goal is not to humiliate them or isolate them. we've got the decide where we're going to use military force and protect our own interest in the middle least. we can't lead the people to russia or assume that mr. putin has any sense of self-restraint. we need a comprehensive policy toward russia and that ought too be one of the new priorities of the administration. >> richard haass, his book available now. thanks ver...

>> i think we all have to hope that he does. i think it's important for the country. i think it's important for the presidency. it's important for good governance that donald trump embrace this moment and rise to the occasion. i think that will require things of him that we have not seen in him historically. it will require emotional, intellectual and strategic discipline. it will require generosity of spirit. it will require enormous self-restraint. we've seen since the election on twitter he's demonstrated no self-restraint. i think it's a wait-and-see. i was thinking about this yesterday, d...