Individual, you know, with that kind of a rap just really be released to -- without being monitored or anything. it's just a selfless act, you know, that these people had to go through, especially what we did. we're lucky to be alive. i feel so bad for the people that didn't make it or really in critical condition because this selfless act. >> martha: i know. you know, it's so terrible listening to the names of those that were killed and we said they range in age from 82 -- 52 to 81 years old. some of them were grandmothers that were dancing in the parade, just having a lot of fun and a great ...