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Or. >> but on the front end, these lieu senator exploration, they cost a fortune. here in the u.s., we have seen that all being outsourced to private companies. it seems more unusual to have countries funding this. what's the upside here besides sort of the spin-offs? why are countries still funding it themselves? >> first of all, space in the past decades used transformation. so it's more economical. that space is a national interest of four different reasons that i explained before. the national security or to
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