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Attacks on afghan and american forces. my question will president obama's democratic base rebel against the war he has made his own? also, should affirmative action programs be ended? democratic senator jim webb basically says yes, because they discriminate, he says, against poor whites. we'll debate that one. plus the tax debate. it comes down to this. democrats will argue that republicans want to protect the rich. republicans will argue that democrats just want to raise taxes. we'll have that one out here. and don't meet the press. remember this bit of video of senate candidate sharron ang...

Value of that aid and redirect it toward low income african-americans who need -- >> pat, where do you think this is taking us? i think jim webb who's a democrat from virginia, which is a traditional southern state in many ways, conservative state in many ways, how is this going to advance the conversation? you acknowledged there was a merit even if you didn't share the agreement with, it for redressing the evils of slavery and jim crow. where are we going now from a conservative point of view? >> here's what happened. in three big states. michigan, california, and washington affirmative actio...

Redirect it towards low-income african-american who's need. >> pat, where do you think this is taking us? i think jim webb who's a democrat from virginia, which is a traditional southern state in many ways, conservative state in many ways, how is this going to advance the conversation? you acknowledged there was a merit for redressing the evils of slavery and jim crowe. where are we going now from a conservative point of view? >> here's what happened. in three big states. michigan, california, and washington affirmative action was abolished by voter referendum. if it is not abolished by voter ...

I've been looking at it as part of a book. jim webb's point is important and courageous. he's saying don't treat it as a monolith. the folks he came from, those folks never benefited from the wasp ascend answer in boston and new york. they were the victims of that form of discrimination. and they are today the victims of the form of discrimination practice and affirmative action, quotas, set asides and things like that. ask yourself, chris, what is the who are reality? what is the justice of discriminating against appalachian white folks whose father may have fought in vietnam, his father foug...

Against someone from portugal. >> i'll mark you down -- >> i think the original act to rectify the injustices of slavery and jim crowe had a real moral argument behind them. i don't understand the argument for discriminating working class folks who never had a break. >> gene robinson? >> pat and i agree on one thing, affirmative action, that there was a moral argument behind the original intent of affirmative a. to protect fi slavery and jim crowe and hundreds of years of oppression. >> hundreds of years of free labor. >> i think it could come as a surprise to latinos,that senator webb says th...