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Whether you think thats good or bad and matches the abuse of powers is an open question. And then he goes through and argues he doesnt see what he calls a statutory crime. And well see that debate as well. There are people youre going to hear from who are going to say its got to be an actual felony and then there are going to be other people pointing out the constitution doesnt require that. It has words like treason, bribery and high crimes. So were going to get into the weeds here, but the big picture is keep your eye on which witnesses and exchanges are talking about the serious question of...

Her testimony. >> mr. chairman and members of the committee. thank you so much for the opportunity to testify. twice i have had the privilege of representing this committee and its leadership in voting rights cases before the supreme court, once when it was under the leadership of chairman sense brenner. good to see you again and with mr. shava and once under the leadership of chairman conyers. it was a great honor for me to represent this committee, because of this committee's key roll over the past 50 years in ensuring that american citizens have the right to vote in free and fair elections....

Conclusion of both committees. >> i just wanted to clarify that point. >> mr. chairman, i had asked for a recorded vote. >> the recorded vote has been requested, and the clerk will call the roll. the question is on the motion to table the appeal of the ruling of the chair. the clerk for the judiciary committee will commence. >> mr. goodlatte? >> aye. >> mr. sense brenner. >> aye. >> mr. smith? >> aye. >> mr. chaffet. >> aye. >> mr. issa? mr. king? >> aye. >> mr. gomert. >> aye. >> mr. jordan. >> yes. >> mr. poe. >> yes. >> mr. gowdy? >> pass. >> mr. labrador? mr. collins? >> aye. >> mr. labrad...

As it's written. we brought sense brenner on the program. this was to apply to foreigners or america's in contact that were suspect. this did not have a broad application in any way. i support data mining, but not the way they're doing it. it's against the law if you read the law, penny. >> sean, the whole reason why we had the supreme court case was because it had been violated under george w. bush. >> oh, my gosh. >> you did see the spying or the alleged spying -- i agree, it is pervasive. i agree with you that it has gotten out of control. we have a a court in complete secret with no denial...

These things and put the right safeguards so we don't have this pervasiveness of surveillance. i think the american people are willing to give up soliberties d freedoms. this is beyond -- >> gene sen brenner wrote it. i find this interesting that if it's the health care law, he unilaterally makes the decision whether to support it or not. if he doesn't want to obey the laws, he seems to think he's above it. >> matt damon, i was glad to hear him use the word the constitution. the constitutional law and the checks and balances. that's -- we are under a tyranny now. it's big government, unaccount...