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No major spending reforms attached is also pie in the sky, so at the moment i don't know what there is for them to talk about unless the two of them privately can come up with some other formula. martha: it feels like we started off at, you know, one place with ted cruz trying to defund obamacare and the democrats completely dug in that that was never going to happen or that wasn't a possibility, and then they had to back pedal and figure out, well, what are we going to fight for now? what are we going to can ask for now? you know, when i was listening to the panel on fox news sunday with chri...

Time since the korean war. we're not budging on this. here is senator rand paul on the sequester versus obamacare. >> i think the one thing i cannot accept and the one thing sing really not even -- the one thing i think is not a compromise at all is democrats want to exceed sequester caps, things we put into law to restrain spending. they are about obamacare being the law of the land but so is the sequester. the sequester is the law of the land and if we exceed that it is a big step in the wrong direction. >> want to unite republicans, throw out sequester. anybody who is a moderator or tea par...

We keep spending more money than we have. if we continue to do that, we're going to make it difficult for our kids and grandkids, for future generations to enjoy this amazing thing we call america. >> answer my direct question. are you prepared to make a deal and let it go past thursday. >> you should be asking harry reid and barack obama this. >> if they were here, i would. i'm asking you. >> we are prepared to do what needs to be done to address the underlying problems in this country. >> but you won't raise the debt limit if it doesn't do that? >> we're not going to break the sequester caps...

Automatic cuts next year would kick in. and so the republicans have to be giving up the hammer in which had they pass and would they pass right now a year-long c.r., they would be the ones in control of the cuts and obama would have to be the ones who undoes them, and they are giving away the hammer, and with with the debt creeling that is the trump card, obama cannot allow it, they are extending all of the way to february, which if you make it short, you will force the president into negotiating. >> and now, listen to senator rand paul talking about the big picture here. >> to me, there is a ...

We have. if we continue to do that, we're going to make it difficult for our kids and grandkids for future generations to enjoy this amazing thing we call america. >> answer my direct question. are you prepared to make a deal and let it go past thursday. >> you should be asking harry reid and barack obama this. >> if they were here, i would. i'm asking you. >> we are prepared to do what needs to be done to address the underlying problems in this country. >> but you won't raise the debt limit if it doesn't do that? >> we're not going to break the sequester caps. that's one thing where we save t...