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Look into this and figure out why this this bank server doing all these lookups. >> rod, my question is, if you were looking into server activity involving the trump organization and the russian bank, what would you be looking for? >> what you really want to get ahold of is the data packets, okay? the reality is if this was any kind of russian intelligence operation, you have to bet those packets were encrypted. you could at least say, well, they went from alpha bank and landed over here and they're encrypted, then you would know there was a data flow. no one has asserted that, that i've heard...

The computer scientists we spoke to just found that weird. now, all of the corporations involved say they never communicated by e-mail with the trump organization, and they had different, sometimes competing explanations for the server activity. but they haven't provided any proof of what was going on and they don't always agree. for example, the russian bank thinks it was receiving trump hotel e-mail marketing last summer but they couldn't provide cnn with a single e-mail to back that up. meanwhile the american marketing company that would have been sending those trump e-mails said it wasn't ...

Counterintelligence investigation. that is what i underscored with the director, it's my hope when he comes back to the committee we'll have a fuller discussion of what, if any the issues the fbi has looked into it. >> congressman schiff, appreciate your time. all right, let's bring in the panel. jeffrey lord and kirsten powers. a bakari sellers is here, rod, let me start with you. you're the cyber expert. does this server activity between this russian bank and the trump administration, does it seem odd to you in any way? that is the word used before i one of cnn's sources? >> it does seem o...

This server activity is quote, odd, what do you make of it? what does it mean? >> they're right, it is odd. it's just not very conventional behavior here, don. i mean, to have 2800 lookups for something -- what was going on -- it certainly suggests there was an intent to communicate between those two parties. and i really don't buy the spam explanation and here is why. if the trump hotel was sending out spam campaign material, it would be going out to hundreds of thousands of people. the idea that the anti-virus products, that it was detecting these and then doing a lookup to determine whether...

Health, those two entities alone made up 99% of the lookups. now computer scientists we spoke to found that just plain weird. all the corporations involved said they never communicated by e-mail with the trump organization. and they have different explanations for the server activity. but they have not provided any proof and don't agree on what the reasons were. for example, the russian bank thinks that it was receiving trump hotel marketing last summer but has not provided e-mail with the information to back up that claim. meanwhile, the organization that would have been sending those trump e...