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Laws as well. absolutely we may be on the brink of where are increasingly and fundamentally, thanks to the constitution and the nature of our u.s. senate, are increasingly undemocratic country will go -- will be tipped over a line by all of these laws. we'll see. and as we should all hands on deck in trying to fight and litigate and defeat these laws that have been enacted and perhaps about to be enacted. but will also -- i think we'll have to wait and see how effective they will be at serving republicans, right? we don't know. we don't know. we saw in the last couple elections that many of th...

We all expected it to do, give us a comprehensive accounting of what took place on january 6th and go all the way to uncovering criminal conduct as well. from that reporting, quote, according to people briefed on their efforts, investigators for the committee are looking into whether a range of crimes were committed including wire fraud by republicans who raised millions of dollars off assertion that is the election was stolen, knowing the claims were not true, and whether mr. trump and his allies objected congress by trying to stop the certification of votes. the committee could send a crimin...

Republicans who refused to condemn qanon last year. this guy isn't just a normal right-winger in the house caucus. he's a -- he's as nutty as they they get. of course, he has been -- he's an interesting character because he's just -- we don't -- he's not a jim jordan-type yet. he's not a devon nunes-type yet. but he's about to become very familiar. one thing we should know about him, back in private business, 15, 20 years ago, he was accused of felonously conspiring to falsify his corporate records. so this guy -- he's familiar with the legal subpoena process and it will be interesting to see ...

I think nothing is done until it's done. and i think our job right now is to lay out to the people of west virginia what's at stake here. the people of america what's at stake here. we've got to pass this bill. it would be really, really, really sad if we were not successful. but it would be even sadder if the american people said, these people stand for nothing. not only can't they get anything done, they don't believe in anything and i would prefer us to be able to say look, we tried. and we had all of the republicans bought off by the big money interest and we have two democrats who couldn'...

Committee will consider seeking such information using other tools. other tools, that's a loaded phrase. when you hear that, do you think, this committee is now ready to do what it takes and this committee recognizes that they are on the clock and they've done what they can do. the clock is ticking and november of next year is sooner than we think? >> sure. and the markets are not going to be there. this is a guy who in addition to being one of these, you know, junior jim jordan characters in the house is really a true believer and has been. in addition to, you know, all -- he's one of those f...